Hello, my friends. If you don't know me, I'm Sara, but you probably do. I, if you haven't been on the podcast around the podcast in a while, last year in 2025, I did an entire year about trust, and I talked to lots of people about what they thought about trust. And today we are dipping back into that because of my friend Nadine. I am delighted, delighted to bring you my friend Nadine El Sasser. El Sasser, right? I did it right. 

Yeah, you did. 

I did. Who lives across the pond from us, as it were. But I, I, you know, guys, I don't read bios generally. However, the beginning of her bio is like my favorite thing. So it says Nadine spent 30 plus years in the buttoned up boardrooms of New York and London, and just as many years quietly moonlighting in the world of intuition and deep inner work. Yes, it's this like two paths. So those two lives stopped being separate, and she has this soul aligned resonance method that she teaches for people who have done all the things and are like, okay, okay, what? But how do I do all of this for myself? She's also writing. So my writer friends, if you don't know Nadine, she's for you. She's for you, period. And you know that I like like here's the thing that I tell you on every podcast. This is another human being. So if you're like, hey, I would really like to know that human being, go to the interwebs and reach out and be like, hi Nadine, I heard you on Sara's podcast. Can we be friends? And that would be fine.

 Nadine, hi, hi 

How are you? 

I'm really well. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so excited. 

I am too. We this is I. You guys know I invite on the people I love the best. So what we always start these trust episodes with is how. you define trust. So, for you, what does it mean? What does trust mean? What does trust in yourself mean? What does trust in your work mean? 

Yeah, all the squirly questions. 

Welcome, welcome to Squirrel Land. 

Welcome to Squirly Land, and welcome to the area that I talk to people about also, which is, and as you as you said in my bio, I work with women who have done all the work. They've done the therapy, they've done the the read the books, all the self development, and they're standing there going, "What do I fix next? Because it comes back to trust, and self trust is the first thing to go as children because of well meaning people around us who convince us, and that ties into your intuition that convinces that there's nothing going on, when in fact we can already sense that there's stuff going on. So self trust is the first thing to go. 

Yep, 

and it's the hardest thing to get back on the other side of the healing journey. It's the thing where you're still second guessing yourself. So trust for me is a journey, and then once for me now that I'm on the other side of the healing journey, trust becomes a deepening. It's not a one and done. It's not a sliding. It can be a sliding scale. Like, do I trust myself to pay the bills on time? 10 out of 10. Do I trust myself to listen to my intuition and not book that trip? Not always. And so, trust me is a relationship. 

This idea that it's two parts, right? It's you and trust, right? That like that sometimes you're closer than others. 

Yeah, sometimes, and sometimes you could, and even in the same thing, like do I trust myself not to book that trip for some reason? No, I don't book it. I immediately trust myself, but on another day I might not be so strong. So it's recognizing that trust is this constant flow and a deepening and a relationship. And in the same, I have the same relationship with fear, but that's a different conversation. But it is recognizing that it's something that you develop, and that you're always evolving with yourself. And the more that you have that relationship, the more you start to notice what your engagement is with yourself. 

Yeah. Well, and I think what you're talking about is the sort of the combination that is awareness and practice, right? It's awareness that the relationship is different all the time, and practicing, like what would it look like? What decision would I make if I trusted myself here? 

Yeah. 

Right. How would I? The thing I ask all the time for myself is, if I trusted this in myself here, what would I be doing? And most of the time, I would not be doing anything. I would not be even thinking about it. I would be doing 10 other things because I would just be letting it do what it's supposed to do. And then it's like, oh crap! 

It is. It's one of those feelings where you go, yeah, but oh okay, exactly. You're like no again, again, again, which is why it's a deepening. Why it's why it's a relationship. I you say practice. I think it's it it's more a way of being because once we start to and I have for myself once I've deepened into this place of self trust and then relaxed and surrendered into it it's like breathing into it it becomes a way of being rather than something that you have to practice but initially it's the awareness, the noticing, the recognition, and for me, in my work as a as a spiritual coach, as a transformational coach, it's I have to trust, and that ties into the intuition because I'm speaking into a field with another person, and in that field, there's going to be information that comes up for me to just be able to get out of my head and allow what's coming up to be spoken and trust that as being well. That's the thing that needs to be said. 

I was just going to say, like I think in coaching, it took me time to know that whatever the thing I was feeling compelled to say was something I could trust to this other person. To know and to trust that when I'm not sure what to say, there's a reason, and when I have a question, when I'm not sure what the question's going to be, to give it a second and let it come, right? To let that just kind of work through, rather than having to manage the process, right? That's such an interesting part of work. So, what does what has learning to trust that part of work for you looked like? 

Oh, what's it looked like? I think it. Well, not think. So I know it's about recognizing what are my gifts? What are my strengths? And so that does come. Do I trust myself? Do I do I value what I do? And when I get out of the way, if I stop intellectualizing everything, then I can trust whatever comes up. I'm also can then be detached from what comes up. I'm not invested in getting it right with the client. I'm invested in giving them what's present, and they'll be able to just then go, "No, that's not for me. That that doesn't resonate. But you know what does, and. so that journey of trusting-it's trusting-it's about to trust myself to get out of the way of second guessing or trying to even understand where it comes from. 

Well, and I think what's really interesting for the people in my world here, particularly in all of that, is this idea that you have this inherent set of strengths, and knowing they exist and allowing them to do the work for you rather than muscling them in like making them work for you is a practice of trust, but also of ease, and everything works better when you do that, right? Like I've been running a bingo challenge this week. People have been; it's been going really well. It's been super fun, and I was thinking, I was talking to my husband about it the other day because it literally is not any kind of work for me, like it's just not work to do stuff like that. It doesn't take hardly any thought. It feels like cheating, and also it's the most important stuff I do. 

Yeah, because it's play. I mean, I always associate you with playing, where it's let's make this fun rather than it making it difficult, so that makes perfect sense. 

But it's wild when it's like you would. I just have had to work at allowing that to be right, and to trust that it's useful. 

It's useful. It's enough. It's it's what came up. It's the. Trusting that this idea dropped in for a reason. 

Yeah. 

So follow it. Do the idea. Do whatever the action is. If it drops in, it drops in for a reason. 

Yep. And I think that's so hard for people because we've been so conditioned. Like I have one in the challenge right now, and she said, "Well, right, but how do I make sure that's useful to people, and I was like, "You already know the answer to that, right? 

If you're like, "Yeah, there's almost even a simplification of that, which in my metaphysical studies comes across as the if it's in service, it will be useful. 

Yes, yeah, you don't 

have to understand. It doesn't have to be quantifiable, and that's the problem with the current infrastructures, which is we are constantly going. Well, we have to be able to measure. What are the metrics? How do we know it's useful? Something that somebody can record 10 years ago, or a book that was written 20 years ago, is in was written in service, and somebody else is picking it up 20 years later. Going, this is everything I needed to read today. 

Yep. Well, and it is that is it is it in service? Is it like my job is to trust that it's going to be useful to at least one person, and that's enough. 

Yeah, right. And that is something people get so wrapped around. I think in work, it's like, how do I know? Well, you get to decide that, and you know, you know when you have something useful. 

Yeah, you know, you also the moment you start to have just a quiet moment of doubt, I like to reframe doubt as being humility. So the moment you have that little moment of doubt, it's like that humility that says, "Oh, I'm not quite sure. Then you know you've hit on it. The minute you think it's the best thing ever, since like you can have that as well. Going, oh, you and I have talked a little bit. Like I'm the shit. Like the the you know. Yes, where you're like, this is really good. This is really good. But there there is also a little part of you that's going, but I probably shouldn't say that. So you can have that. But the moment you are doing everything from a place of you're ticking all the boxes, it's become performative, yep, and therefore it's probably lost the essence of its usefulness. 

Well, and I think there's there's kind of magic in what you just said about when you're like, should I share that? The answer is yes, right? Like those have been the most compelling things I've written, the best challenges I've run, the most interesting things. When it's like, oh, that would be super fun, but I don't know. Like that for me is like a sign of time to move forward, which is the worst because you're like, shit, now I have to do it, like that's that's terrible. Well, that's been my whole last week. 

Oh no, oh yes, and oh no, oh no, and oh yeah, exactly. It's like really, really, I'm writing. Really, you want me to get a Substack? Oh, come on. 

See, see, and I am a I'm a no. That's a but there's a difference between. So here's the thing: I was talking to a friend about this recently, who is a writer, and she's like, "But you would be great on there. And there is a difference between resistance that is fear, and it's not for me. 

Oh, absolutely, and know the difference. It's a blessing. 

Yes, and for me, for that, that's a not for me. Like I've like a negative number desire to do that. Like I, it's a, it's a, it's a like I cannot think of anything I would like to do less. I can think of things I would like to do less, and they're all like, like brain surgery kinds of things. Like shit, I have no business doing right. So, like, I. But it's not because I couldn't do it. It's because I like really, truly don't want to. 

No, and I think it. And here's the thing too. I, you know, I think about American politics from years ago with the old flip flopping and everybody's, oh, you're not allowed to do that. When in fact, that's exactly what you should be doing all the time. Because it's all the time. Because it may not be for now, but it's not necessarily for or not for always. 

Yep. 

Well, did you know you'd be a business owner? 

Well, I did try about oh 14 years ago, and then ended up back in the buttoned up world of corporate finance. 

Well, but it's one of those like I always say to people, they'll be like, "Oh, well, you, you know, you know where you were going. Like, no, you're so cute. Like, that's such a lovely idea. I didn't have the foggiest idea, and here I am. It happens to work out, but like that's trusting the doors that open. 

Exactly, and I mean, I think a lot of people. I think we get tied into then, and Liz Gilbert speaks beautifully to this, which is around the. She used to think everybody knew their passion, everybody knew exactly what they were going to be when they were five years old, and for many people, it's like I had no idea. I mean, for me, the cloak. closest thing I can come to is saying, "Yeah, I thought I was going to be a fairy and magical, which is really hard to put down as a CV goal. 

Well, but what's interesting to me is like I knew, and I'd do something different. 

That's fascinating. 

Well, I mean, I do something different on paper. 

On paper, but is it in alignment with what the energy of what you could feel yourself? Yeah, should be doing. It's always teaching, right? It's always teaching, but it's interesting. I'm always in service. 

Correct. Well, you're still a fairy, I'm pretty sure. Like we're gonna use that as your resume header. Like that's gonna be, can we please put that on your LinkedIn LinkedIn bio? Because I can't. That would be fun. It would be fun. 

Already pushed a little bit on LinkedIn by saying I'm a mystic. I don't think the algorithm knows what to do with that. 

I don't care if they know what to do with it. It would be so fun, though. Like now we're having bad ideas that are fun. See, this is how this goes. Okay, so here is part of the reason I we came to this conversation is because you had a post on LinkedIn where you were talking about the difference between multitasking. and intuitive prioritization, and those two words have been on a sticky note on my desk since then, which was months ago. This idea of intuitive prioritization of trusting yourself to know what needs to be done when in what order, or at least that's how it is interpreted in my brain. Yep. And the difference between that and like all the other things. So you have to talk to us about that because talk to give me the stop talking, Sara. Nadine's turn. 

Okay. So this is what came for me. So my journey through the corporate world, I used to think multitasking was the shit beyond. It was the shit, and it was beyond a superpower to be able to juggle so many things. And in my mind, when I think of multitasking now, I think of that person with the sticks and the spinning plates, and it's all mental. It's all up here in the intellect, which you know, my there's nothing wrong with the intellect. The intellect though needs to be in service to the intuition, because then you can access far more resources. But this whole multitasking is the balancing and the constant this, then this, then this, and so it's adrenaline rush. It's also a dopamine rush, and you get addicted to it. And women are brilliant at it because we've taken our normal, our intuitive skills, and we have adapted them to a predominantly masculine infrastructure. Women are empathetic. Women are inclusive. 

Women can also see five steps ahead. You know, men, by their very nature, are whatever's immediately in front of them without thinking about the next three steps, so multitasking is really all of those things. It's our empathy, our inclusivity, our ability to think of five steps ahead, our meta view, and it's become multitasking. And at some point, which mid life, our brains go, that's not your natural way of operating, and so it's just it never was you adapted. But now I'm going to say menopause, but that brain fog is really there's a physiological side to it, but there's also a spiritual side to it, which is you were never meant to multitask. It's time to let it go, and the opposite to that is the intuitive prioritization, which to me is like watching a great big bowl of water, and then you've got things floating on it, all of the important things, and there's a gentle current going, and it's this thing floats in front of you, so you pick it up and you take care of it. The next thing floats in front of you. You pick it up and take care of it, and the intuitive prioritization knows which one to pull in next. And so you do it. You do the next task. 

You do the next thing, or whatever's in front of you, and then you can put it down. It might be that you put it back in the water because you know I've done enough with it this time. And it circles off, and it will come back. But you don't have to be thinking about it all the time. So suddenly, you're in flow with what's the most important thing for you right now. You don't have to overthink it, which I love conceptually, and my inner doer is like is having a little moment, and I can bet it is because it's like, well, what if the thing that intuitively comes up isn't the thing I was supposed to be doing? Then what? 

Well, what if I? 

Your inner doer though is trying. That's almost that's the intellect wanting to problem solve and be in control, and say, "But I have a strategy, and the intuition is saying, "I love your strategy, but if you listen to me and then become strategic will get things done faster. 

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Because I can, I can hear my people like banging their heads on their desks, going like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But it is this idea that like intuition then applied strategically. Yeah. it is, and this is the thing that I always want to be really clear about with people: is that the intellect and the intuition are not in competition with each other. They need to be, of course, they are. 

They need to be in. They need to be. Well, we've been told they're in competition. We've been told that we are better off if we strategize, if we problem solve. The intellect gets rewarded, but the intuition gets poo-pooed. In the, it's not brought online. I mean, there's so many scientific studies now that prove that the information is coming from from different frequencies. That if we could just tune in with our intuition, we would in fact know what to do next much sooner. And then we bring the intellect online, going, "Okay, intuition says do X. What's the inspired? The inspired action is, oh, I'm going for me. I'm going to go and get a Substack, and now the brain is the intellect is saying, here are all the things we can write about. How do we work out and strategize what that looks like? 

Yeah, well, and it is that I think of this as my friend Stacy Andon always talks to me about how I have capital K knowing, like knowing, like the capital K kind, and it is trusting the capital K knowing first, letting that be the driver of the decision, and then applying that decision actively, right? Like then driving that decision to where it goes without without you know being Mario Andretti, right? Like I don't need to drive like a crazy person to get there. In fact, I could like enjoy the drive. 

Well, you could do both. Fair, you know, fair. 

I mean, it depends on what the situation is. I love the capital K knowing. I call that the deep inner guidance, which because that comes from some, and a lot of what I'm doing is it's about the embodiment of it. It's people aren't comfortable in taking a breath, letting their awareness drop all the way down into their body, probably all the way down to the pelvic bowl, and just sitting with it, and sitting there just in a little bit of silence to be able to go, what is my deep inner knowing or deep inner guidance? And you'll hear something or sense something, and then that informs the intuition for all the options. 

Well, and I think so often, at least in my world, so many of the people I work with, it's not so much that they have to wait for that answer to come; it's that they haven't listened to it yet. So it's there, and they just haven't had enough quiet to hear it and then trust it. Yeah, right. They've hurt you, or they're not sure. It's usually not enough quiet, and that's because the mind, the intellect, has been so loud for so long. 

Yep, and that intellect can also. I think I just recently wrote a post about how it can easily override and convince you that that deeper knowing, that deeper in. Guidance, it'll talk you out of it. 

Oh my gosh, we've all got, we've all had those things where you're like, I knew at the start I shouldn't have done it this way, right? I knew at the start that this was the wrong direction. I knew, and you're like, damn it, I should have listened to myself. We all, everybody's got those, and you're like, everybody got. Oh, oh, here it is. So then it's so. How do I know when to listen? How do I know when to listen? There's a really simple kinesiology exercise to help you sort of start to work out from just a body feeling as to whether or not something is coming from the intuition, or coming from the you know, or really just is it coming from the intuition? Is it coming from the deeper knowing? And the if you want the the easy exercise is to say in your mind or out loud three truths. So my name is Nadine. I live in Scotland. I was born in Australia. I know where that sits in my body. 

Yep. 

I know the feeling of that. 

Yep. It just is. 

It just is. You go. Okay, that's that that that sits in my body. But if I said my name is Keith, I'm American, and I live in Zimbabwe. Immediately, there's a tightening for me up here. 

Yeah, you can feel it. Like feels fine. 

There's like a ooh, that's ooh, that's no. So if you're looking at where did that information come from? Did it come from the feeling of the truth, or is it coming from the place of, yeah, it's not. 

What's interesting about that is then you can-it's like that transferable feeling that you're like, oh, so when I have a truth, it will feel like that. The way I think about that all the time, I actually end up talking to people all the time about it with confidence, which is a different kind of knowing. Where, like, you know, one of the things I realized early in my business was, like, if you took me tomorrow to a middle school math classroom or a college math classroom and dropped me in the room, I would be like okay, guys. What are we working on? I would look in the book. I would ask them some questions, and we would do the next thing. Like I have no like that. Just is, like I'd be fine.

 I have no thoughts about it. I have no. It would be. We'd laugh a little bit. We'd get some shit done. It'd be fine. And so what I've had to teach myself, I think to a degree, is I know how to feel that feeling that like I've got this feeling of like I belong I know what to do I can carry this and then it's like okay well how do I I already know how to feel that how do I feel that as a business owner how do I work from that feeling versus the like I don't know I don't know do I that like intellectual spin that you get when you feel new at something, yeah, yeah, and that to me is also the because that's about being in the body. It's about dropping your awareness out because you know the feeling. You know, as you said, it's even though it's confidence, it's actually a grounded embodiment of a skill that you have. 

It's like that groundedness. Yes, it's the groundedness. You can call it confidence. You can call it well. I've got proof because I've done it. It's I've had that validated externally, but it's it's the body feeling. It's the it's the this is the knowing. Yes, of that's right. Yep. And when something's new, or we're uncertain, or we're we're doing things that haven't perhaps been done before. Sometimes that we don't even have other people that we can look to as mentors because they're not doing the things that we're doing. 

Yep. 

So where do you go? You need to bring it back into yourself. You can't keep looking outwards. So that that's a beautiful way of going. Oh, it's in the body. It's my knowing, my groundedness is, or my confidence is, because if I take a breath and bring my awareness back to myself, where do I anchor in? 

Yeah, before I take a step that's really uncertain. 

Well, and I think it is that like I can I can take as as an impatient entrepreneur, business soul, as an impatient human being, forget business. Just generally, like I, are we there yet? 

Yeah, right. Are we like, I can I? What time is it? Can we go? Like I have had to really work on. Like I always have enough time to sit back, take a. Couple breaths and decide intentionally, right? There's always time for that because a, like I literally do have that time. We all do, and b, doing that here saves me 15,000% time on the other side, right? Like the amount of gain that I get from taking a second, putting my feet on the floor, going like, "Hmm, is this really what I want to decide? What's the clear decision here? Take a couple breaths and then move on. Is exponentially more useful and effective. 

Yeah, absolutely. And you can do that when it comes to the intuition as well. When you feel like you're, am I deciding this because this is the practical thing to do? And everybody said these are the steps. This is how you get it done. And there's another part of you is screaming on the inside that says, "I know, no, it's walk away. Yes, do something completely different. Have the I'm going to say have the grace to give yourself the time to be able to not make it so huge a decision, and look, sometimes you're going to. I, in my experience, there have been times when I've gone against my intuition because the practicalities of it and my need for security and certainty one over robe. overrode the. I'm not ready yet to take a leap of faith. 

Yep, and that's okay. And there have been times where my intuition has put me in situations where I'm like, "Are you serious? Like, really? That's where you're like, 

"Guys, are we okay? 

We what are we doing here? Because as I will say, you know, intuition isn't always rainbows and unicorns. Sometimes it's, you know, sorry, Charlie Brown, it's it's the lump of coal in the sack, and you're like, why? 

But I do, yes. Give yourself the breath, and yes, it's okay then to make a decision either way, yeah, it's the act of honoring this inner voice, this inner knowing that builds your self trust. 

Well, and actually, it's interesting. You were talking about like, is it practical? Is it right? Like one of the one of the things I always think about is I think of them as the 4r of the apocalypse. Reasonable, responsible, rational, realistic. They are like whenever somebody says to me one of those 4r's they are using past data to make a future decision, and that's not how those work, right? You're using somebody else's opinion to make a future decision. So it's like, okay, well, airplanes weren't responsible right out of the go either, and so it's the like. Can I still choose the practical thing? Can I still decide in any direction? Yes, but if I'm deciding because it's reasonable, realistic, responsible, rational, I don't know if I like those decisions. Like that's not how. That's not new. That's not how new things happen. 

No, and look-that is our frame of reference, which is why you don't go to the intellect first, because the intellect is a reference library, and it will go. It's like walking into the biggest library in the world and saying to the one sole librarian, "I need everything that you have on. Whatever the thing is that you're working on, and I need it right now. They're going to find the things that come top of mind. Top of mind. 

Yep. 

Whereas if you're listening to the intuition, and the intuition suddenly says, "Oh, inspired action! Do this. It then goes to the reference library, and it will give you a song title. And you go, "What is with the song title? And you go, "Oh, remember that that song? Why has that song come to mind? Oh, I love that lyric. Oh, that lyric reminds me of. And then we're there. Makes me think of. 

Yep. 

You would never have gotten to that gem without it. Information to help you build the thing that you're about to build if you'd gone to the intellect first. 

Yeah. Oh yes, that is. But isn't that always the way too? Where you're like, why am I singing this? Wait, here's this. 

Oh, okay, and then you're like, "Oh, drat! Here we are. 

Yeah, or usually because it's a oh, because that was in such and such a year. Oh no, you want me to do that again? But I oh, okay, 

yep, right where you're. Well, and that is the funny. I have a client, a long time client and friend, where you know we'll talk. We were actually on somebody's networking call the other day, and she said something, and we both giggled. And then the people were like, "Okay, guys, what's what are you giggling about? And we were like, "Well, because it all goes back to the T word, and she's like, "Trust again, right? Where because it all circles back there. It all circles back there. It all circles back there. 

Yeah. 

Every time. Okay. So tell me. Well, before what just to add on that, because the again it does come back to trust, but to reframe it for people so it doesn't feel so heavy and burdensome. It's not trust again. It's trust deeper. 

Yes, because you've already trusted. It's not like you've got to do it again. It's just it's like taking that one deeper step deeper, one breath deeper. 

Yeah, you're not doing it again. You're just doing it a little bit more deeply. 

Well, and every time, right? Like the first time you learn to ride a bike is not the same as the second time. Is not the same as the third time. Is not the same as the fourth time. Is not like you're a little better. You're a little faster. You're a little clearer. You're a little like it's all simpler every time, and you are coming back to it, but you're a new. I have a friend that says, "Well, you'll say, 'How are you today?' And she'll be like, "She'll be like, well, today's the first day I've been in this body because today is a new day, and I don't know if it likes me, right? Like every day is a new day. You're a new person every single day, and that's what she talks about. 

And I'm using the bike analogy, it's going to feel different after you've fallen off the bike. The first time you come back to it after a fall, yep, is going to feel you remember how to do it, but you've now got some resistance and hesitation because you have an experience where maybe trust was broken, or you trusted it and it didn't work out. So this, but it's still a deepening. You're never going back to starting from square one unless you have full on amnesia, and then you're probably going to have complete self trust because you don't know any different. 

Well, and what I think is interesting about even full on amnesia, you have full on amnesia, and sometimes your body still knows what to do. 

Yeah, right. It'll still there will be patterns. There will be things that your body just knows, and so it really is like it's those things. You know those things people tell you, and then you're like, damn it, I can't unknow that now. Like, oh, there's there's nothing worse than when you can't unring a bell. 

Like no, why? 

Oh, you can't see things. 

Well, we don't want to talk about that. That's terrible. Let's not talk about because those are like airport moments where you're like, well, now I have that forever. 

Well, I've also got moments in the corporate world where people that are supposed to be senior level are wearing lectrobisical shorts. 

Oh, fun! No, no, I am sorry. Where you're like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. My eyes are no. 

Oh, too late. Now I can't see that. That's all I see when I'm working with you. 

Oh my god. Okay. So, if there is one thing about trust and intuitive prioritization and knowing and deepening that you want people to walk away thinking about, that you want people to sort of stick in their pocket, and be like, "Oh, this is the little bit that I think I'll carry. What is what is that little bit? 

It's a great question. You've got everybody has it. 

You may think you don't, but there it is. You think you don't, but everybody is born with it, and it is an innate, natural part of who we are as souls living in a physical body in this dimension. So it's it really is about forming a relationship. It's remembering, and it's returning. It's not about becoming. It's about returning to who you were before. All of things in life happened that made you stop thinking that you had it. 

It's there. And allowing it to be there and come out, yeah, and and being playful with it. 

I am a I in I am playing bingo with people this week. I am fascinated, absolutely fascinated, by the things that people are willing to To check off a bingo square in a game, that they're like, "Well, normally I wouldn't ask that person for this thing, but today I'm going to do it. You're like, "Well, you couldn't. You you. It's amazing what happens when we introduce a little bit of play, a little bit of play, a little bit of accountability because it's actually just somebody else. Yeah. Imagine if we showed up for ourselves the way we show up for others. 

Yes. Well, and I, as I tell them all the time, they'll be like, "Well, can I? Like, listen, guys, I straight up made up this game. This is a made up game with made up rules, and you just asked me if it was okay, if right, like we'll do what you want. Like we we we this is entirely invented out of whole cloth. Like it's just like it's. I don't. There's no rules. This is ridiculous. Yeah. 

No. Transcend rules. Find your own path. 

Yeah. And and I love it when people are like, well, I didn't like that square, so I made my own. Like, damn, way to win. Like, I didn't, I didn't like this one. It didn't feel. I had somebody this week send me an email of a picture of her bingo card and the one she crossed out and the one she rewrote in there because she was like, she said this one doesn't feel like me, and I was like, yes, exactly. I was like done. Yes, like big win. Like I sent prizes for that sucker. Yeah, she just won. 

And she really did, and I was like, see, this is why we do this because you have to. You can look at it and be like, that one's not for me. That's fine. Don't let it stop you from making bingo friends. She was like, "I am getting this bingo. God damn it! 

I'm going to get bingo. 

Nadine, tell all the people where they can find you, including on Substack. 

Okay, well, Substack hasn't been done. Okay, maybe I don't know when this is going out. So by the time when this goes out, maybe I'll have my Substack up with a with a an actual first essay out there. But they can find me on my websites. Okay, which I think you'll probably post. I will the link or with the 

I will and on the LinkedIn and I'm and I'm on LinkedIn as well and I will be returning to Instagram soon with Talking Head videos. Oh, yeah, and I'm available just for conversations, like you said. Reach out because she is like a delightful 

human, like actual have like one of the very best. And you could just listen. I could listen to Nadine all day, and I always feel Nadine comes on a call, and I'm always like, "Oh, there she is! So, like, please, friends, have that interaction because, geez, you're missing out otherwise. Thank you. I will make sure that you, in the podcast information, have all the places to find Nadine, including her LinkedIn, where you could send her a message and be like, "Hi friend, I want to be friends. That's fine. Or you can go to her and be like, "Okay, wait. So I would like to do this intuitive prioritization thing, but I think you're nuts. So help me do it, right? Like that's fine. If your intellect is like, that's not a thing, have an actual conversation where it's about doing that work because it really does matter, especially if there's some little bell in your brain ringing and going like, "Huh, that's a thing, huh? Tell me more about that thing, huh? Because that I was about to say, if if if you're feeling a oh, I'd really like to reach out to it. It's like, yeah, this isn't for me. Listen to to the first bit. 

Yep, like don't, don't. If your initial reaction is "ooh, allow it to be, my friend, because that's how this is supposed to work. You all, I will see you in two weeks, and if you're not in the lab yet, now is a good time, my friends, because this is where all the games continue, but I will see you all soon.