Welcome, friends to the next episode in trust series here at uncomplicating business. I am Sara Torpey. I am the creator selling for weirdos and a business coach, and do all the things that I make people have this conversation about trust with me, and we've been doing it on the podcast all season. 

We're gonna keep doing it. And so what we are shifting into at this point in the podcast season is conversations about trust, because the Conversations Matter. 

Today, I brought one of my favorite people to have this conversation with, and somebody I have been talking about this with for many, many years my my dear friend Barb Hubbard, she is a Time Management Coach. She is an ADHD specialist. She runs a coaching business that she has had since 2018 but she started out like you and I did, teaching kids and supporting parents and seeing space to do something different for adults and for other people out in the world, and sort of changing gears. What she is really good at is helping people move step by step, by step by step, by tiny step by tiny step by tiny step, towards accomplishing all the things, not all at once, though, because you can't accomplish all the thing all at once. And that's what she's going to tell you. Going to tell you. She does the focus thing really well. She helps you navigate the big projects without drowning in them. God bless Barb Hubbard, I am so happy to have you here today.

Thank you. I am so happy to be here. Yay.
So what we are going to start with is is really just your initial thoughts on trust and how you define it, like, how do you define trust? What does it mean to you, in yourself, in your work, in your business today, talk to me about, you know, the where do we start?

Oh, such a broad topic. That's a big question. Sorry, yeah, it, you know what it it is broad, and yet it comes down to, like, the simple act of knowing that who you are and what you do is going to be the right thing. And it's, you know, the decisions that you make about your business in life are going to be the right decisions, and that the people who come your way in your life are going to be the right people. And you may not always know why you're making those decisions or why those people are showing up, but you trust that it's all in a grand plan,
while in that you don't get to hold the plan. Yes, exactly. And actually, what you said before we hit record a couple of minutes ago, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell them. It's like, trust is one of these topics where it's like, you know you need to think about it, and you know you need to work on this. But no, thank you. May I choose something else, please, exactly. 

Yeah. So you know, what has learning? I know because we have worked together that for you and for everyone, and I am in this too. I This is Benny journey of learning, right? And that there is learning that has happened around trusting yourself and around trusting your business. And those things have happened in parallel, but they're not the same. So can you talk to me a little bit about learning to trust yourself? Because what you said a minute ago was about trusting decisions, and that's really like a self trust thing, right?

It is, yeah, yeah, trusting myself was probably the hardest piece for me, because I have have for probably most of my life, trusted outside of myself. I see the path that led me to where I'm at and like, Oh yeah, I'm here for a reason. And and so that piece was easier, but trusting myself is so much about believing in myself. It's about confidence, it's about self worth. It's there's so many pieces to that, but trusting myself has allowed me to kind of raise my expectations of myself, in a way, and say, Oh yeah, I can do this. Like I know. I don't have to. I don't have to stay small, because I can't trust myself to do big things. I don't have to question everything. I don't have to overthink things. Not that's not. I totally do question everything, and totally do everything, but like the trust, when I lean into trust, I remember that I don't have to, I don't I can just go with that decision, or I can go with, you know, whatever pops into my head well, and I think that that's an. 

Interesting distinction, right? Like it doesn't mean the questioning doesn't go away. It doesn't mean that the spinning doesn't go away. It means that you notice it and you're like, oh, there it is again. Let me go back to trust, yeah.

And for me, it's very much a red flag that I need to slow down that. I need to get back to some I call them my healthy habits. I need to go for more walks. I need to journal more. I need to read more. I need to tap More because I'm EFT tapping practitioner. So like all of that, it's a red when I start overthinking, when I start questioning, when I start spinning that, then I need to go back to those things, because they help regulate me and remind me, oh yeah, I can trust myself
well. And it's like getting re grounded, right? Like, that's how I think about it. It's like, were you finding that overthinking isn't that you're doing something wrong, it's that you sort of lost your center a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't see it as something that I was doing wrong. It was. It's more of a Yeah, exactly, that I've just lost my lost my center. I lost my way a little bit. I got too wrapped up in all the possibilities and all the, you know, options, so many options, yeah, well, but I do think people start to overthink, or they question, or they doubt, and they see it like a stop sign, yes and yeah and it's not a stop sign. I think a bit more is the fork in the road, like go this way instead.

So how is learning to trust your business different from learning to trust yourself?
So I actually think that they are so intertwined that it's hard to for me to distinguish one versus the other, because I see myself as my business in many ways, but trusting my business is it adds another layer of trusting the people I work with, trusting that the right people are going to the right clients are going to show up, trusting that my business is exactly where it needs to be right now, which is hard when you have a million ideas of where you want it to go. Oh my god. Like that one is like, I want to, like, like, hang that on a bull's eye and shoot arrows at it. Maybe, like, trusting that I'm right where I'm meant to be right now in my business, and that it's the pace it's meant to be, and like, whoa, and that it doesn't mean to look like everybody else's that is, yeah, yeah, big it is. It is big. And it's, um, when it's easier to just do all the things and throw spaghetti at the wall, and try this, try that. And you know, many ways it's easier to to trust your trust yourself, and trust your business and say,

 Okay, well, this is what I'm doing right now, and I'm going to stick with it for a while and see how it can that's hard really Oh, because it takes focus. And, like, the word in one of my groups for coaching this round has been discipline, but not in like, a mean way, but in that, like, useful way. And it takes, you know, it You're right. I think it is easy to be like, change spaghetti, new pasta shape. 

Let me make elbows this time, right? Like, in, in, keep throwing different things and thinking and just sort of loosely letting them go and assuming none of them was going to work because you didn't stick hard enough to any of them to let them Yeah, yeah. And that is tricky, but that matters. Like we have talked over the years about, like, okay, can this be the focus for a year or six months? And every time I do that to myself too, and I'm like, Oh no, a full year, right? Feels like we're gonna do that right forever. You're like, Oh no, I have a client right now who I she's not allowed to touch her LinkedIn profile for a full year. Love it, cuz she loves to change the words on it, as if it's like, like, like, like, Candy Crush. She's like, just gonna Jenga these words a little differently. Like, stop touching it.

 You, you have agreed that you're not going to touch this for a year. She's like, Oh, I did the same thing with my website, where I, like, I have to stop touching this, like it is fine, just the way it is. I have to trust that it's reaching the right people, and the words are great the way they are. And yeah, but it's not I still want to go in and tweak things and change, but it's not like that's the thing, the thing I. End up trusting is like having to come back to trust in is, you know, my job as the business owner is to do the things that I know make the most difference. And while I enjoy playing with the words on my website, those are not the things making the most difference, right, right? Yeah, yeah. 

And I have to be as much trust as I put in my business, I have to act like I'm worthy of trust from my business, like, like, like that. It gets to trust that I am choosing, Oh, right? Like, I have to behave in a trustworthy way to my business by not, like, just picking the things that are less scary, right, right? Right? Oh, that's really interesting. I'm going to be thinking about because, because it's like your your business is, in many ways, this separate entity, and trust goes both ways. Yeah, it will thrive if you trust it to do its thing, right? You trust your website to do its thing. You trust your LinkedIn profile to do its thing. You trust all your systems to do their thing.

Yeah, and then I have to behave in a way that allows them to trust me, right, like but I really where you have them sort of intertwined in your head, I have had to actively separate them, because for me, it feels much better to think of my business as, like a thing I hold in my hand and I offer people, right? My offers the things that I do. Because then, like, really, essentially, it boils down to then, if somebody tells me no, they're telling me no to this thing. They're not telling Sara's bad person, right? Right, right. Like, it's so, like I separating them has really helped me sure trust that this thing I'm giving people is worth it. And you know, that's been really interesting. So tell me what, when you when you are acting with trust in business. You know you were talking about healthy habits and you were talking about red flags. Talk to me more about that, like, what, what have you learned about what works for you versus what works for everybody else? Because you see clients and what works for you doesn't necessarily work for them. Yeah, that help you lean into trust and stay there.

Journaling. Journaling a massive one for me, and it you had written a post a year or two, three ago, and it was when I journal, my business has more success.
I make more money. When I journal, I tell people that all the time, I make more money because I journal, which is why I do it. And it that piece hit that post, hit me like, like, Oh, really. And I almost was like, Well, I I'm going to prove you wrong, Sara, I'm going to journal every day and show you that it doesn't matter. But what happened was, the same thing, I started journaling. I had more success, right? I made more money. And when I'd get busy, always, one of the first things to drop off is journaling, which is crazy, because it takes less than 10 minutes, but it is one of the first things that always falls away and and I found the same pattern, and I'll throw in reading, and it's not even necessarily reading, you know, business books or even self help books. It's any book, like I can now. I'm all into fiction because I need an escape and so,oh, we should trade books before we go, because I read a lot of trash, like, just absolute trash. I can't read non fiction anymore. I just my very nice too busy during the day, and I always have a book, yeah, or two.

 Like, right now I am no joke in the midst of all two, and what I'm rereading, which is all, all trash, all absolute fiction, there's murders, there's romance, there's dragons, there's everything. It's amazing,right? And it doesn't matter. Like, though,  if I am reading and journaling, then I am leaning more into trust. And I think it's about, I think it's about stepping away from my business, getting out of my own head and journaling. You're very much in your head, but it's kind of, but it is making what's in your head visible, which I think really matters. It's like seeing your own bullshit. Yes, yes, yeah.

So those things, the third one I'll add is writing down my wins, my celebrations. And the reason that works so well is because it's evidence. I call it my evidence list. It. Is evidence that I can trust myself. I can trust my business, because look at all the great stuff that's happening. Yeah, and sometimes my celebrations are very small, but it doesn't matter to me. You know, other people will be like, Well, you didn't finish that. How can you count that as a celebration? And I'm like, Well, it's a celebration that you started to celebrate when you make progress. Oh,
yeah. Like, everything counts. 

Nobody cares how much you won a game by. They just care that you won Exactly. So how often do you do that? Tell people the celebration wins. I do it minimum weekly. Sometimes do it more often, but I have kind of a running list in my planner, and so I'm kind of having one of those days where I'm not feeling so great. I might start a list right then and there. Always do it when I sit down to look at the week ahead or on Friday. Sometimes I plan the week ahead on Fridays so on that, you know, end of the week, I'm writing down what went well that week, but it's minimum once a week. Yeah,

I am a it's interesting right now. I am. I do it once a week. I do it on Mondays because it helps me, like, settle into my week, yeah, and, but I also grabbed a practice from a friend who has, like, you do three things every day, and then you, like, make a bigger list once a week and capture learning and like, how you took care of yourself. And so I I've been doing that, and sometimes my wins, on my wins list are, like, everyone ate dinner, yeah? Like, everyone ate dinner, yeah, that was already in my house, right? Like, sometimes it's, you know, I opened that tab and yeah, sometimes that's all it is. But I am a big believer that, like, the hurdle of getting started is often just that first action. And so opening up MailChimp, opening up, you know, LinkedIn, even if you don't create the post, but you opened it you, yeah, yeah, right. 

Sometimes my wins are that tiny, and they and they're tiny in the sense that it seems so small, but they are huge in my head and for my motivation and for trusting myself that Yeah, well, and they're small in like, time, but monumental in impact, right? Like, the impact is huge. Like yesterday I have, I have to write a blog for someone else in April, and I have been like, let me tell you when I've been dancing around this blog for like, a month. Yeah, I realized yesterday that my problem is not the blog. It was deciding the topic, yeah, and I wrote down four options in my list, and now I'm like, Oh, I have, I know what I'm gonna write at all. Like, it literally was just deciding, right? I was like, oh, seconds, 30 seconds of your time saying, here are some things I could talk yeah. I was like, Oh. Like, I have been avoiding it for a full on month. It is absolutely I would put that on my list of ways. Oh yeah, I started. I wrote down the options or or I figured out what was holding me back.

Yes, because even that's a win, right? It's like knowing when all of a sudden I realized it was just, I had to decide a topic. I was like, oh yeah. So talk to me about a big challenge in trust. You feel like you navigated and overcame like I know, to put a few words in your mouth for you, I know one of the ones that has been harder for you is trust with time. Oh yeah, and I'd love to hear. I think that's really useful for people to hear about, because time is such a large looming thing for so many people. So can you talk about trust in time with us? I there's so many pieces of this I could talk about, but I will say that I struggle with the idea that I will be overly busy and that will lead to health concerns. It'll lead to not not prioritizing myself, not prioritizing my family. And so it was a tough one for me to move past, right and I think when we first started working together, that was like, I'm going to be too busy. I'm going to get overwhelmed, which was all about time. So what one of the biggest pieces that I had to figure out for myself was trusting that my business is working for. Me, even when I am not actively working on my or in my business, because and it is and and I have all the wins that I have written down to prove to myself. 

So whenever I question it, whenever the trust is like, well, I don't know about that, it's be like, are you doing enough? Couldn't you be doing more? Couldn't you be doing more? Yeah, yeah, and, and so, so all the evidence is there, but I had to actively say, Okay, I trust that these are the things that are most important to do this week or in this day, and do them and be done and away, which is really, really hard even it's something I think about almost every day, even today, I think my day ends relatively early, like 2pm or something like that. And I thought, oh, there's extra time to do more. And then I realized, like, I caught my I catch myself now I'm like, no, no, no, no. I have my list of what I need to get done this week. It's all going to be done by 2pm and then I have plenty of other things in my life that I need to work on right now, so I need to be done and move on. 

Yeah, and, and that's, you know, it's trusting that the time I spend is the right amount of time. It's trusting that that there will always be enough time to get done what I need to get done. It's a, yeah, there's so many well. And I think it's also the like, I think one of the big shifts for you was from things are going to get busy and I'm going to get overwhelmed to I'm always going to have enough space to take care of what comes my way. Yes, yeah, right. It's this, like, it's like a closed box model to like an open, spacious sort of like, there's always space. I always figured it out, right? There's always room to manage it. And I know, and you know how to say no, and you know how to space people out, and you know how to say, I don't have room for this right now. And that you will when you need to, yeah. And sort of having that shift, I think, made such a difference, yeah,yeah. It absolutely did,  yeah. It's yeah, this I will have the time when I need the time.

Yeah, and the people come as they're supposed to, like, you keep saying like, the right, people will come the right. And I know people sometimes have a reaction to right, right, but I think it's really like the people that I meant to help will be here. Yes, the it's all working as it's supposed to. It's sort of the trust in, like the thing I think all the time is, whatever I picked to do was thing I was meant to do, like that. I it's, it's about right? Because you can't possibly choose wrong, right?

Correct? Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. I so I'm finishing up my EFT tapping practitioner stuff right now, I will be, probably be certified by the time this podcast is released. And I knew that this was something I wanted to do five years ago, maybe more, and it and so there was a part of me that kind of beat myself up, like, why didn't I do it sooner? Because I love it, and it fits right in. And it's, you know, it's just adds so much joy to and benefit to my business and and then along the way, I'm like, I was never ready. I was never ready to do it. I, you know, those five years of waiting, part of it was about time, right? 

There were other things I needed to put in place for my business before I could take this on. Part of it was about just like being ready, in terms of like feeling that what I knowing what I offer to people, and trusting myself and my what I do, but when I think about that way, like it all happened exactly as I should. And for the longest time, it was about, well, I don't have time, I don't have time. I don't have time. And that was kind of what I was telling myself that it wasn't really, I wasn't ready yet.

It wasn't, well, it's, it's the difference between I don't have time and it's not time, yes, yes, right? Like, it's not time, sometimes it's just not time. Yeah, I tell people that all the time. It's like, you know what? When that is meant to work, it will, yeah, yeah. Right like the when it was the right time, I reached out to somebody and said, Who? Who did you do your training with? And she told me their names, and the only virtual offer they had for the whole year last year was three weeks away. It is the right time now. Today is the day.

You know, it's, it's interesting to me. Like, I I talk with people all the time that go to create things. They're like, I just can't figure out how this goes together. And it's like, then, you know, let it be for a little bit like, I feel like, that way about my course, you know, selling for weirdos. Like I knew at some point I would have a course, and I didn't know what it was, and I didn't know what it was, and it felt bad. And then one day it was like, oh, there it is. Yeah, it just wasn't time, until it sudden, it was time. And I was like, oh, it's time now. Hi, hello, well, and we can choose to beat ourselves up over not getting it done right? Like, I didn't start this training when I first had this idea. You didn't create your course when you first had you can beat yourself up over all of that, or you can trust that the time will be right, and you will recognize when the time is right. Yeah, well, and that is so much, I think the act of trust allows so much. What you just said is, is being kinder to yourself, yeah? Because there's so much less guilt if you're just trusting the timeline.
Yeah, yeah, 100% because the other option sucks, quite honestly. And I don't really want to do that one that sounds terrible. Neither. So what do you think the role of trust and success is for you?

I think that I need trust in order to have success, I need to trust in all the things, in myself and my business and the timing to have success. And like, back to what we just said, right? Like when I am questioning everything and overthinking everything and beating myself up, and I'm kind to myself over everything, then it's I don't have success, at least not at the level that I want it, and not with the joy that I want to have it right like I think we can have success. And it can feel, you know, not. It could feel icky.

 Well, it's like, you know, have you ever woken up halfway through the night and been like, man, I was working really hard to sleep. I've been really working with this sleep thing. I feel like I've been pushing it up the mountain with me. It's sort of like that. Yeah, it's the like, Man, I'm doing this in yay, success. But what the heck yeah, and it's really hard, but the trusting version is much lighter. It is much more spacious, and it feels kind of crazy. 

Yeah, I want to say it makes success easier, and I believe that, but it is, but at the same time, it is not easy to trust, right? So it but when you can trust success, when I trust myself, when I trust my business, when I trust in timing, success comes to me in an easy way. I think it's, it's the difference between so my daughter is a competitive rock climber, as you know, and right now the gym, she goes to one of the main roads to get there is blocked off because there was a whole building fire thing, and it's been blocked off for like, a month. It's great. But to get to the gym now there is, there are two ways, right, and one is two turns, and one is like, 643, if I cannot tolerate it. It is so complicated, and I think it might be a little faster, but I cannot. I just cannot. 

And it's at like, seven o'clock at night, and I can't do it. And she laughs at me, and she's like, Dad goes the other way. And I'm like, well, because dad's just following his map, I cannot tolerate the number of turns in and so it's sort of that in some ways, success when you trust yourself is just less complex. I don't know if it's easier, but it's less complicated. For freaking Sure it is. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know if you feel this way, but when I decided to trust myself and the the other piece was being open to receive related, right? It's like a cousin.

You're gonna have to say more about that in a second, but finish this
thought. But when, when I. Excited to trust, I don't know, like it just opened up whole new worlds. It hope. It opened up so much, and it just is more fun. It brings more joy. So we are going to take a little side trip to the cousin over here, because you mentioned it. One of the things we have long talked about is, you know, you and I are both givers, right? Like this podcast is for the givers, and when we give big, the thing that balances that is being willing to also receive. And that's so hard, because what we receive is money and compliments and all the things, and you're like scoochy in your chair right now having this conversation. So talk to me about openness to receive, because that is a kind of trust. It's trusting yourself to receive as well as give. And people really like to give, but receiving is a whole messy kind of thing.

It is, it is, I will never forget the coaching that you gave me on this one day. You at some point, you said, I have just asked you about receiving in 10 different ways, and and you were pushing me to to acknowledge it, basically. And it was a game changer for me. That moment was a game changer for me, because no matter how you said it, I was just pushing it, nope, nope, not going to think about it, Sara, not going to talk about this and and when, when I did though, when acknowledged, yep, you're right. I do struggle with receiving. That was it opened up whole new path for me of like, okay, I need to work on this. I need to figure this out. But it's the receiving piece for me, is related to trust, because the because it's about trusting the universe, that you know, it's about trusting in my worth, that I can receive, that I not willing, but I'm worthy and worthy, yeah, yeah. And
when we talk about receiving, what are you receiving?

I am so I because I'm so structured. I have five categories. See, this is why she's on friends. I have five categories of receiving that I track. And it turns out that in many ways, they are my celebrations. 

Go figure. Yeah. So one category is about receiving compliments, friendship, love, you know, acts of kindness in the world, like you know, somebody offers to buy you coffee, and you just say thank you, and receive that. That's one category. And within business, it often is just compliments or testimonials for those kinds of things. Another category is inspiration, like saving new ideas, new and, you know, new thoughts, new. And I get them from podcasts. I get them from my clients. I get them, you know, all over, but it's just inspiration. 

Those two I receive every single week, all the time. I just had to stop and notice them and, yeah, be open to saying thank you without anymore, without trying to, like, shove it back at someone Exactly, yeah, or, or, you know, the whole Thank you, but, and then, right, like, I just being able to say thank you. So the third category is new clients, money. It's all about money. New clients, people coming my way, paying me for something, yeah, and that one shows up way more than I thought it would. But I had to be open to it. I had to be worthy of it well, and you were worthy all along. You just weren't sure you were exactly yeah. I had to own my expertise, which is something you helped me work on as well. That piece of knowing that what I offer is valuable, and oh yeah, yeah, without the but she's like, it is. So that's three. So another category is new connections, which also shows up just about every week, and that is without me searching for them. They just show up in my life, right? And sometimes it's followers on the social media platform, but most often it is somebody connecting me, somebody referring me, you know, they. Have to reach out via email or message. You need to know this person, so receive, yeah, yeah, I've done it happen just about every week as well. And then I have to look at my list, because now I can't remember the fifth category.

Well, that is that, like, once you You know the saying is we, we, I forget how it goes. It's like you pay attention to what you're tracking, right? Yes, you're tracking receiving, and you're paying attention to what you receive, yeah, yeah. So then it doesn't make you a terrible person. PS, just saying.

It really brings more joy into your life, because you're like, Oh, look at that. The last one is speaking or teaching opportunities and which have come out of the woodwork. Yeah, yeah. You know, when I looked back at 2024 and counted them up, it was 24 different things. 24 some average into a month, and I'm still averaging two a month this year. Well, in would 2018 Barb even recognize her? No,
no, no, no, no, no. Person I have friends who knew me then who will say to me, you are so different in a good way, yeah, but just it's such a different level of ownership and trust? Yeah. So the last question I'm going to ask you is, if there is one thing you want people to walk away and think about around trust, what is it?

It's a practice. Practice it, you know, it doesn't. It's not like flip the switch and suddenly you trust everything about yourself and your life, right? But it's, it's, it's like a muscle. You have to think about it. You have to, you know, listen to stuff on it, about it, read about it, journal about it. It's, you know, you kind of have to work at it. And it adds and it flows and evolves. But it's well, and it's sort of like the question I think you're asking people is, like, what is your practice?

Yeah, right, yeah. And you have developed yours. You're a great example of a developing like a developed and continuing to evolve practice of trust, like I have my practices that help me, but it's like, what are your practices look like? And, yeah, just like we work out or don't. In my case, right now, I walk an 11 month old puppy, and I feel like that counts, Dear God, she's a whole vibe. She's great, but wow. But it's, you know, we get better at what we practice, right? And if this one is, if you practice anything, it's this one, yeah, yes. It's the most worth it of a bunch to
everything else. 

This is what leads to everything. And I like the on ramp, yeah, yeah. And I will add that, that everybody's practice will look different, and you gotta figure out what works for you. Yeah, you're, you know, some people meditate. I'm not a meditator. Like I've tried, I still try, but that's not part of my practice right now, maybe it will be right. Everybody's different. Everybody's going to have different components and methods. Some people love to track stuff like I do, like you do.

Well, it's what's interesting is I have become a meditator, but I find that 90% of the time I have to be in motion.

Yeah, yes, I can do it. When I'm in motion, I have to be
in motion. I have to be walking. I do too. Yeah. And I am not a great sitting meditator. Sometimes I am, but not often. I'm excellent at laying in bed in the morning and meditating, but that never happens, but I being in motion makes such a difference for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everybody's just going to be different. Everybody's going to have their different ways to connect to that trust and and think about it without overthinking about it well, but what matters is you're connecting to it somewhere, yeah, because it really is that big of a difference maker. So I love you, and you can't duck this. So tell people what you offer and how they come find you like make them some offers. Miss Barb Hubbard, awesome.

Thank you. So I offer coaching, I offer EFT tapping, and I offer groups for people who are struggling to get started on stuff, whether that's some big dream. Room that they have, or just cleaning out the closet. And I have a free quiz on my website where you can figure out what might be preventing you from getting started, and have have hacks there to support you get you going. And I also have my book say,
come on. 

That leads to my book. Yeah, yeah, quit chasing squirrels and start chasing your dreams.

Yes, the squirrels and there's a squirrel. There are squirrels. There's a squirrel in your little background right now, if you're watching this on YouTube, the squirrel you posted something a few weeks ago about, like, which kind of squirrel are you right now? And there were all these different kinds of squirrel pictures that my daughter picked out too that were so diametrically opposed. And she's like, I'm both of these. And I was like, one was like, a squirrel laying flat on its face, and the other was a squirrel, like, singing. And she was like, I am five and eight. And I was like, never mind. I'm just gonna let you go. Do you? She was like, did you tell her? And I was like, Yeah. And I had the same question, like, how did this oh, I want to get in her brain and understand.

Oh, no, no, we don't. It's a whole thing in there. It's a whole interesting place. Um, so I will make sure friends that all of the links to Barb are findable in the notes. Those are easy to get to. Please go follow her around, because she is smart and thoughtful and really, really good at what she does in all the ways, including the tapping which today she's certified in, because this is recorded, and it is a delight. She likes to connect to people. I like to connect to people, if you are not in my world, which is in Facebook, is uncomplicating business for teachers, helpers and givers, please come join us on Facebook.

 Please come follow all the places. Please. If you're ready for coaching and you trust some things more, come on over. Let's talk about it. I can drag you to receiving too. Um, even though we don't always like it some I had a client the other day told me she liked me, but not today, which, which, you know, people say to me, and I'm still okay with it. Barb Albert, thank you so much. You are my favorite. I'm so delighted to get to
talk to you.

 You are my favorite. I love, I love talking to you, listening to you, seeing you in all places, yay. All right, friends, we'll talk in two weeks.