Loving Your Body, Teaching, and Containers with Jennifer Lebo

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Okay. Welcome, welcome. Welcome to another episode of teachers in business. This is Episode 42. And I have yet another but honestly not yet another one of my very, very favorite people. So you are going to have a treat today. And my friend Jen Lebo is here she is a certified life and body image coach, she does all the things and if you hate anything, she's going to fix that for you because she doesn't do hate. She has spent super interesting 25 years in the boarding school world teaching and coaching and running a girls dormitory. And every time I have like a mom, a girl mom problem I the first person I call is Jen, because she's got like a whole bookshelf full of stuff that she's like, look at these picture, look at these books in this picture and read them in the following order. She has owned, she owns a coaching business now. But she's also owned another business as a photographer, and she's just spent her whole life with women and girls in schools with the camera at home. She's got kids, she knows what y'all are up against. And she coaches women on body image, y'all we're in our 40s both are so we know we know, we know. Like after you have the kids after you, like have the job where you don't ever get to get up from your desk. I don't know anybody like that. After I like in here that it says gravity, high gravity. Thanks for playing. And, you know, this is really just like bold talk about it. But as slowly as we all have, she has found her way to exactly where she's meant to be. So Jen libo Thank you for coming.

Hey, I'm so happy to be here. And I love the way you just said that I finally found my way to where I'm supposed to be. So I thank you for having me. Oh my gosh, please, please, please, please. This is where I like I'm like, Hi, friend. Do you want to come up on?

Yeah, I know. So done.

So let's start where I always start, which is in teaching, because my people aren't the teachers, you know this. You have been on many a call with me where we like hatch some sort of crazy person plan. And I think my Facebook group was one of them. Yes, I think we've named you every couple days. We named mine. Like, yeah, it's all stuff we've done together. So talk to me about your definition of teacher and what it means to be a teacher in your world. Because I know you were also married to a high school teacher, he's a math person, and I love him even though I don't know him.

I love this question. And I was thinking about it. And I feel like there are two answers to this question. Because you've got like the traditional teacher definition, someone who has a specific container and is in a specific kind of classroom and teaches a specific subject. And usually you think about high school or college or, you know, younger kids, but it's that profession of a teacher, like my husband, like you, and like your people. And like I used to be, um, and then there's the more general definition, I think, because in a way, I think we're all teaching. I saw a shirt the other day that said, like, teach everything you know. And that's, I think what we're doing like we're all teaching in different containers. And we're all being taught in different containers, right. So I'm, I'm teacher to my kids, and in some ways, their teacher to me. Same with the girls in the dorm and the work that you and I do in our businesses. So I think there's like a traditional professional definition. But then I think there's a more fluid definition. And they will and I like the idea in there of container, right? That no matter which definition you use, the idea of container came across both of them that like a teacher is someone who teaches within a container like there is something you have and you teach it to some specific set of people in a that are in this like when you say it, whenever anybody says container to me, I think plant pot is or to yellow. That's really what I think of like I have many containers in my greenhouse. And so it's this idea of container. I think that's really interesting. Right? I mean, what are your thoughts on how container bridges those two?

Well, yeah, and I think that's the idea of fluid. And I also would imagine, although I'm not you know, I have a black thumb and kill everything I try to grow except my children. But there's this idea that containers always looks so different. But they still hold space for something, I guess, right. So my husband is literally 100 or 200 yards away from me in his traditional classroom with rows and desks and a whiteboard, teaching calculus. But I'm here on zoom, and after our call will be getting into my Facebook group to teach content through Facebook. You know, and it's more fluid, but the containers are always there, even if it's my daughter and me in her bedroom. Right? And who's teaching who in that moment? Or we're both learning. So, you know, the container could be the car, it could be more than it's any you said? It's any, anything that holds that space? Yeah, so really, like, who I'm talking to you? Um, so talk to me about what you used to teach people and then what you teach people now? Like, what are the what are all the things on your teacher? Yes, so in the traditional container, I love that. Um, back in the day, before I became a mom, where I met my husband, I was a high school English teacher. So that was fun, when all of our students found out that like, their English teacher was dating their math teacher, it was crazy. Um, but um, I also would always say that I was a field hockey coach who taught English on the side, I think most of the impact I had on students was actually after school on the athletic fields. So that was really my container. But I loved teaching high school English as well. And then the kids came, and I opted to stay home and raise them. And that's when things shifted. They started side gigs and businesses and things like that. And most recently, what I'm teaching is I teach women and girls, how to shift their body image, how to change their body image, and how to separate their body image from their self worth. Which is 100% what I was born to do, and I actually still do that in a smaller, different kind of container, on our high school board and campus because I run this business, but I also like run a club, here at school, the girls leadership club, and they're back. They just the students arrived a few days ago, and I've already had like a handful of girls like what are we starting club? What are we starting? They're ready. So body image comes into play a lot with that, and overall confidence and leadership skills and stuff like that. Yeah,

I will. And that's, it's such a like, it's so interesting to me when people talk about that, that journey through teaching various things, right? When it's all that changed was the color of the pot, really, because on an athletic field, like I was a swimmer, so I there was no field, but there was surely a pool. I learned a lot about confidence and body image and all of those things I learned. That's honestly, like, if you say to me, if you asked me, if you if you ask me today, where most of my confidence comes from where any of the comments I have comes from it comes from the pool in ninth grade. Like it all started in middle school at the pool, and I didn't swim as an elementary kid, I didn't put all of that confidence in my thoughts about like, what I was capable of. A lot of it started there. So you've been teaching this all along?

Yeah. And it's also because it's been my personal journey. Because I grew up in an environment and with a message, I think that small, is worthy, small is beautiful. So I was always trying to make myself smaller, which is something I think women tend to do. And when I found, particularly when I found sports, but um yeah, I was smart in the classroom, but there was something about playing sports and being bigger. It gave me permission to be bigger. And that's, I guess that is the first time that I remember feeling that difference and then becoming a coach in that same area. It was was definitely being a teacher. And it wasn't even the skill set. You know, it's not always about the topic we're teaching. It's about the connection. We're making. The impact. We're having the presence. Yeah, just that I think for students, whether they're young, or our age, yeah, I'm being present with our students, our clients are people, holding space for them creating the container. That's the game changer. So that even though I was you know, teaching, Shakespeare is the only thing that comes to mind even though I did not like teaching Shakespeare. Even though I was teaching vocabulary, it was really about being present for them and, and pouring the messages into them that I wanted them to have. And that's what I'm doing now.

Well, and I think, for me, and I like as someone in a classroom, I always in who I teach differently, now I teach, I still teach in a classroom not right, the second my classes are done for 2021. What? Crazy, I'm not teaching four classes a semester, and that's wild. I'd love that. But for me, it's interesting. There's it's sort of the distinction that's made in teaching between content skills and process skills. Like I always think the process skills are more than process skills like in math, they're problem solving, and sense making and flexibility and fluidity. And in I think, actually, but underneath there are, like, the life skills of problem solving still fits but of believing that you're capable of knowing that you may not take the most direct route, and you're still gonna figure it out that like, I always felt like, as a middle school teacher, my job is an eighth grade teacher, with kids going to high school the next year was not necessarily to, it wasn't to teach the content, for sure. But honestly, for me, in a lot of ways, it was secondary to the idea that I wanted my kids to walk out of my classroom, and I feel the same about my college kids, and walk into the next class and think I may not know all this, but I'm gonna be able to figure it out. Because if they can walk away from a math class, or from any class, particularly math, though, I think because they have such a relationship with it. If they can walk into the next class and think like, I can do this. That's, that's enough. Like, that's enough forever.

Yep. And I think you teach one of those things. I mean, you know, we coach each other all the time. And one of the most simple, but profound questions you always ask us is, what's your next best step? Right, like, what's the next? What's the next step? How can you, like, break it down? And that's math, but it's also life. Yeah. Right. When you're looking so far ahead, and you're thinking this is too much. You always say that to me, because I tend to you're like, what do we what are you doing? I'm like, well, this and then this, and then this, you're like, what is the next step? Oh, don't have to think of one.

I only I see it and other people because I am that where I'm like, well, step 43. Is Yeah, if step 42. Is this then 43 is this, but if step 42 and 41 were and then you're like 47,000 steps down the pike when you're planning to sit down? Yes. And which shuts it down. And that's what we do with our clients. And I think it's what you do in the math classroom. And it's true, it's, it's very process based. Yeah.

How about process person, but I am a firm believer in like, and you do this with people, like the only real thing you have to do is pick up your pencil and move it like in math in life and anything else? Like you don't have to do it, right. You just have to do it. Like it's going to be I was talking to somebody while we were on vacation about they're like, well, but you know, our this morning, maybe she's like, well, but I'm afraid that if I do it this way, I'm gonna fail and people are gonna laugh and I was like, here's, you know, my stance on it is generally speaking people are laughing. Like, they're all laughing right now, because I have failed in some way. And if I believe they're already laughing, well, then throw caution to the wind friends. They're already laughing. I might as well just make them laugh more. Like it is fine to just continue to do it. Because there are gonna be people that like don't like it anyways, whatever. I've met them. Yeah, yeah, I think it speaks to that other role. You were saying before or concept. There isn't like one right way. Think about once when Scott is telling me about a formula or Scotty, because basically all of my kids at this point, no more math. I mean, and I'm over here like counting and like, what if I just figured like, I'm gonna get there. It might take me 14 times as long, but there's not like one way to get to the end. So I That too well, and there's like you can like, do it the wrong way. Okay, like there's nothing wrong with your fingers, your fingers. You can count on your fingers. Yes. Well, and I have kids in college that when we were in person classes, they'd be counting on their fingers. And I would see them, they would hide them. Yes. And I would say to them, I don't give a crap. If you use your toes. I mean, if your feet smell, keep them in your shoes, but do what you need to do. Yeah, like I would rather you figure it out, then I don't, I don't care how you get there. And that's the thing about this in business, everything else like, you gotta get there. You want to do it, the hanging from the ceiling, walking on your toes, but your hands on the ground, and I don't want to do it with blue hair. I don't give a crap. Teacher, I want you to get there. That's the important part. So talk to me about your favorite part of business. Because I think so often like, Don't make that face. I think so often in like, I really work at leading with what's going well. And I think that so often in business, it's like in life, in teaching in math, and in working on your body and your image. And your all of these things, we lead with all the things that are wrong, like women and body image, I can't imagine that most of your clients leave their favorite things. But I'm a big believer in leading with your favorite things. So what is your favorite part of being in business?

Yeah, I do think that's an easy answer. Because it's the content, it's the work, it's it's the idea of creating impact through body image through changing a woman's mind about her body. That's not to say, getting her to love her body or like the way she looks, because that's not what we do. It's about changing the relationship between her mind and her body so that she stops beating up on her body. And so for example, I was just thinking, as you were saying that, like, it is the work I do with my clients. This this morning, I was as working with a client and I challenged her on an exercise. Because the work we were doing came right back to her body, she we were in self judgment, and we were in a lot of heavy emotion, and it all came back to her body. And we got off the call with a really hard homework assignment. That really is easy. It was like, spend one day letting your body run the show, like your mind isn't allowed to make any rules about your food, your mind isn't about allowed to pass any judgment about what you eat, or what you do. Your body just gets to make the rules. If you want to eat the popsicle for breakfast, you get to like, no rules. And I could just see, like her, her mind was immediately making judgments. That's the best part of the work. That's the best part of being in the business. The idea that I can do this kind of work with women everywhere. And I do specifically work with women like over 40. Right? So you think about because body image for a 20 year old or a teenager is totally different. Yeah, just as important but totally different. We have had kids or raised kids. We have maybe gone through perimenopause, or menopause or gravity or life or we're running businesses and raising kids or they're out of the hat like knife has has run over us in the best way. Yes, but it's still like our body. Right. So in our minds, we're still like 17 and we're supposed to be 127 pounds, which I'd never was and be a certain size. And our skin is supposed to be perfect. And we're supposed to look certain way and we look in the mirror and we're 40 something 50 something 60 something. And the best part of my business is knowing that I can impact women in this way so that they can change their whole works well in its you know, it is the gift of like prompting people to think about things that had never occurred to them, right? Like it is a magical thing to say to somebody like your body could be in charge. Because your brain is like Oh, wait a minute What's happening here? Like there are those moments like were you like know that you melted somebody's brain? Because they're like, I'm sorry, what did you what it was?

Yeah, and not in the best way like the look on her face. I don't know that she was loving In that moment, but she was willing to try. I think she was thinking in her head. Oh, crap, I'm gonna have to do this this week, right? She knew she was going to commit to it. And she wouldn't have, she wouldn't have even gotten there. Because the conversation was what got us there, you know, I don't even know she would have seen it. But she was willing to do hard, simple but hard. And I think I think we're going to, I think we broke something a little bit today.

Well, and I think that there's like, you know, you had an experience, I have one in mind. Where I, you were learning something. And the person you were learning it from you wanted to smack, like hard, where you were like, No, no, just tell me how to do it. They're like, nope, you're gonna get it and they had enough faith in you, to let you figure it out and screw up your way through it. I know that I have been the teacher in those situations with kids. I know for a fact that I have facilitated those things with an adult with adults because I ran a math workshop one summer for middle school teachers, and I had one of them so mad at me, she was balling up little piece of paper and throwing them at me, she passed. But in the end, she figured it out. And she walked out on the last day, and she hugged me and my co facilitator about died, like right there on the spot, because she was like, that the lady that was throwing things at you, like Yep, now we're besties. But like, those are the things that stick with people that make a tremendous impact. And we don't always know it. But it is those things where they're like, I'm not gonna like this, but I know it makes a difference. And that's, that's a big deal. That's the best part. Hmm. So best part, biggest challenge, so talk to me about, like, narrow it down to one, because we all have we can make a list. I think I can narrow it all into one, put it all into one. And that is like gonna be honest.

Yeah. But it like it's giving myself permission to make all the decisions, like when you run your butt when you leave the classroom, and you go to run your own business. You are the teacher, the principal, the superintendent, sometimes you're the student, because you're figuring everything out on your own. You're everyone. And that's been the hardest part is making all the decisions on my own. giving myself permission to go that way instead of that way, or invest that time, money energy on that tool or say that thing, like every part of my business is my decision. And as a woman who because I walked that body image journey, and it affects every part of your life, when you put your worth into something specific that may or may not be enough, particularly with a body image, if sort of falls everywhere. So to take up your space and say, I'm going to do this thing this way in this container with these people at this time. That's been the hardest part. Because my brain likes to say you're going to do what if you do this?

Well, I think it's interesting because that permission comes like the there. There's a lot that comes with that, right? It's permission to do it. It's permission to make all the decisions, it's permission to do it differently fail. It's permission to fail. It's permission to be nice to yourself. Either way. It's permission. It is like all the thing. It's like this crazy hierarchy of the permissions you have to give yourself that probably makes the chart at some point. Write it down, I know. But it's it's interesting because it really is like this constant permission giving. It's almost like you give yourself 15 permission slips a day. And you just have to constantly do it where like your kid goes on a field trip, you give them one permission slip, they go where they're done. This is not this doesn't work like that. You're constantly like re issuing the permission slip. The delinquent kid who can't quite create,

I also have that kid or had that kid. He has grown out of it, I think who asked permission for everything. Because he wanted so badly to be the good boy to be and everything was black and white. So he asked permission for everything right so Giving yourself it's true. It's it's a giant umbrella. And that's why I think it is the overarching hardest part of going into business for myself is being the one where like the buck stops, but also like the one who gets to say, yeah, go do that thing.

Well, and also, it's different, I think, for teachers, for people who were in a school system at a certain point, like, the thing about teaching is that it allows for a lot of creativity, but the box is pretty dang well defined. You like walk into this room at this time. And when you get to go to the bathroom, a bell rings, and then you eat and this time they scheduled for you. And if you need a day off, you write a letter, and you send an email to this person, and you get this check on this day, and you work this many days on like it is very structured. I just sent out my 16 residence hall welcome letters to kids and parents do by tomorrow, in this official Notes section of our system platform, with these component, like every house parent has to do with the same way. Yeah, their structure structure to being a teacher in the traditional container. And so when the when that structure is gone, or you are the one to create it. That's scary.

Well, it's like somebody laid out stuff in your backyard, and they were like, make a plant pot. They're like scum again. That's what's the point? What's a it's like, what's it going to hold? How sturdy does it need to be? Does it need to let through water? Like what kind of seed is it? What it's like all of those things, right? And then somebody gave you like, plastic tin foil and saran wrap, and you're like and, and said it gets to be whatever you want. Yeah. Which is amazing. Because I'm finally teaching that the content I want to be teaching but also terrifying, because because I need the teachers book.

Right? Well, it's I can remember thinking like the answers like I just need the the hand, I need the answer key. And yeah, most people like have never had anyone hand them a teacher answer key. But let me tell you, it's a lovely thing. Most of my people who listen to this have where you're, they're like, they're like, here's your textbook, here's the answer book. And you're like, Yes, yeah. But like, and I can remember in college, actually. And when I went back and did the math courses at night, getting the textbooks that came with the answer books, I can remember when I was teaching college kids. When I was at Rutgers years and years ago, they would get our their textbook, and they would get like the answer key book with them when they bought it for their college course. And I cannot tell you how many kids came into class and tried to hand that to me. Because they were like, well, I've got your book. I'm not supposed to have this. Right. And, and yeah, it's not time yet. babes. Wait. Sorry. Welcome to the podcast with children on it. Yeah. And, and maybe dogs. Yeah, right. Those are outside too. But that were they were like, Well, I'm not allowed to have this, like, well actually comes with your book, you're allowed to have the answer so that you can check them and they're like, Come again. Like it would like freak them. They'll be like, well, but I'll just leave it with you. Like, no, no, no, you need to use it. And they're like, Oh, right. And I can remember feeling like that. Like we're like, I'm not sure I'm supposed to have these answers. But okay. But really having the handbook would be lovely. Who do we think we buy that for?

Right? And now in business? We're creating our own answer key. Yes.

Well, it changes all the time. And it changes all the time, right? Because the minute you're like, it's like, it's like, remember when your kids were newborns and the minute you had the schedule worked out. It was like they grew an inch and then their schedule changed. And you were like, but I just I had it a minute ago. I just, yeah, so grow again. How do you think? What do you want to tell people? There are lots of people at various stages of starting businesses in this audience. They're all people that come from the teaching world. I think you know, I'm one of those people that like gives advice hesitantly because I don't think we can always hear it until we're ready to hear it. But what do you want them to know? Like, if you look and you think like, this is the most useful thing I can give people what is it about starting business, doing this whole thing.

Yeah, well, I think when I think about that question, and I think specifically about teachers, I think teachers would understand that one of the most valuable resources that they have when they're teaching in the classroom, are other teachers, right? Like the best moments are when you're sitting and collaborating with the, you know, your math department, or you're sitting over lunch, and you're teaching math, and somebody from the English department mentioned something super awesome that they did in class, based on, you know, the latest novel, they were reading and you fake, you know, you're like, wait, I think I can do that in my content. I think that is the greatest resource to take anywhere, you can still do that. When you are starting a business, I think your brain wants to tell you, you're going to be out on your own, you're doing this all alone. That, you know, it's so scary, you can't do this, I think the greatest resource, the greatest piece of advice, if I could give would be to surround yourself with sort of like a faculty. You know, what was the first thing or one of the first things you and I did was Connect, we were in a coaching group, like we were being coached by the same coach. And we were like, Um, hi, you're new, I'm new, let's get together. And we, that was like, eons ago, right. And, and we've grown and we've added, and we've joined networking groups, and we've joined specific networking groups that, you know, connect with us specifically, like, you know, I connect with women, we're in women's networking groups. And I think that is such a valuable resource, to not try and make this jump, and take this journey by yourself, because you're going into business by yourself, because there's still a tremendous network and resource out there in the way of others who who are on the journey at different points. So some will mentor you and teach you, and some will walk beside you and be your classmates or someone you know, there's just this whole, awesome, like, spiderweb right. Um, and for me, specifically, I think, you know, I know you don't just work with women, but there's something really powerful about women who collaborate and connect with other women. Because I think sometimes there's this idea that women are in competition with each other, and we compare ourselves to other women. And when you discover that, in actuality, women love to support each other, and encourage each other, and help each other. It's a game changer.

And that's interesting, because in the one of the things I was talking to somebody about recently is I have never I mean, we have our friends you have your friends from like high school and college and the people you've always had, like you have your people. I have slowly found my mom friends where we live here now, but it's like slowly, like you know, 10 years later. Because that world that world of women can be very competitive and just will allow sometimes, but I think I have had much more, a much easier time finding people that were my people out here in the business world, who like got what I was doing, and were willing to walk with me and be ahead of me and ask me for help and do these things like you made a list a minute ago of like, people that will be your classmates, people that will mentor you people that will be your mentor. I think we have done that for each other all of those things. Yes. All of those same freakin call in the same hour. Yeah, like on the regular. And I think you know, it's a really interesting thing to realize that like the people that you're seeking the like the support that you need the people that speak what you speak like we don't do the same thing. We both coach but we don't coach in the same way we don't coach necessarily the same people. There's not what we get the journey and we get each other and here we are in like we knew it right away. This is the thing that makes me laugh. Like I think that was almost two years ago, where you were like I refer like, Hi, we're friends now.

Like, you're my person known each other for five minutes. We're both like the C students in this class where we're like, and we're scared, we're scared and we're intimidated by the one that like asks all the really busy questions and and we're busy making fun of the coaches. pictures on the wall in the background and Trying to figure out if it was a sea otter on a bicycle? I Yes, yeah. And so like we were those students, and it was like, Oh, I see you, you're you're my person. And I think, yeah, I don't know about you. But I've had a much in a lot of ways easier time finding those people out here in the business world all over the world than I think I ever did as a mom, as a teenager as a college student as like a 20. Something. I don't know, I What do you think that?

Um, I think that's a really interesting point. And I personally, maybe, and maybe some of the coaching that I do, I think that depending on the story you have about yourself, is where you find your people. Not that I'm thinking more of myself, like I one of the stories that I've always believed about myself, which is why I do what I do is you don't i don't belong, right. So that story loves to rear its ugly head whenever I would find myself in a group of women, especially when it came to, you know, body beauty, that kind of physical appearance. And so that work shows up for me everywhere, even in the business world. Even with the other moms, you know, I grew up in a very heavy faith based family, church family. So I grew up in church, and that story showed up there too. And it just showed up everywhere. Yeah, so I so I'm so curious to I love that you're like, Oh, my I found my people, right, like my brain loves to kick my ass every time. I find my people. My brain likes to tell me. You don't belong here. ABC. So that's the work I do. Yeah, no, I totally do. Like, it's just, it's that's the that's why I always have a coach. Amen. Well,

I think it's an it's an interesting thing that we get to know those things about ourselves. Right? Like, I think one of the things I've found much in the same way as as you build yourself community, as you know that you're not alone, as you figure out, I think, like, your advice is to know you have a community to build your community, mind to people as often practice asking for help. To go one step further to not only build the community, but you actually ask the community for things like you are not bothering people. You deserve the help. Yeah, I love that they go together. They do. It's like magic. It's like, yes. But I think it's, it's an interesting thing, right? Because we on top of the belonging in the community, it's like, yes, but I'm bothering them or Yes, but there's like all the reasons not to ask for help. But really, like, what we do for each other, often is like, Hey, I have this thing, and I need five minutes of your brain. And we can do that. And then it's like, oh, I'm not a lunatic, or Yes, this makes sense. Or Oh, that was the right question to ask me in that moment. Okay. And then we go on about our days, like, we have this community, but it's also very open to, too, to poking at the kinds of work we're doing. It's like, I had this thing happen. This person said this, like, what would you do? And we go back and forth. And sometimes we answer each other. And sometimes we're like, Nah, man can't answer that for you. You have to figure that out. Here's what I would think about. And so we get to apply our work to each other more often than not, which is also fun. Yeah. What? Talk to me about your group, and what's happening in there right now. Because I know it's, it's a place I am. It's a place I know a lot of people in, you know, unless talk to me about it. stuff is happening in there. So the name of the group is called loving your body. It's particularly for women over 40. But I know there are some youngsters in there. So all women are welcome. But a lot of the content and training and questions are geared toward those of us who have lived life a little longer. So the kinds of things that are going on in there right now. I'm on day two of a five day training that is about five lies that women believe about their bodies. So good. There's only five there's no there's like these five

You are mind blowing. Right? Because I think when you hear them, you're like, that's another lie. Right? Like, that's not a lie. That's the scary that's like the danger behind them. These are lies that women live by not knowing less than one from yesterday.

What was yesterday?

Why is that working on yourself in any way, shape or form, but particularly your body image? Selfish? It's been women have more important things to do, right? But that's a thought women think all the time all the time. think of myself as selfish. Today's is my favorite, I think. And it's happening after I get off the call with you. Now, but this won't be won't be out right away. So Oh, that's right. Do it. Oh, I can spell it. That's right. Today's is if I just lose the weight, I'll be happy. Oh, and that's diet culture. That's the world perpetuating that lie. And that's a big one. And that's when I believe most of my life. Yeah, I catch myself there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's so subtle.

Well, and it's so pervasive and like everywhere. It is, it is like the stick that all those companies are using like you will be happy if yes, those 10 pads are literally their marketing. That way. Yeah. If you ever spend like five minutes watching commercials on probably any channel, every other commercial is I lost the weight now I'm happy Jenny Craig and Maria, Jasmine and, um, you know, Weight Watchers, and then every other commercial is like Oreos, and peanut butter cups, like, and yeah, and like, fast food and McDonald's like so you're, you're alternating like, eat this junk. And then come spend all your money here making your body better so that you're happy and then eat this junk because it makes you happy. It's like it's a total marketing.

Oh my gosh, we could be Oh gosh, yeah, this is a rabbit hole. It's only going to be a short training but and then I have a master a free masterclass coming up after that, which I don't know when this is coming out. But when is it will be in the middle of September?

Oh, perfect. Yes, this will be out by then. But also tell me the date of that. And then tell people it will be in your group. And all of these lives are in your group when they go to them eventually, though. Yeah. So the trainings are all on the group loving your body. And the the masterclass is, basically it's called breaking up with your body shame. No, it's the three steps to finding peace with your body. And that will be on Wednesday, September 15.

Girl I have to have you come in and like do all my workshop naming. Because you're way better at it than me always. I'm always like, dang good at that.

I do love that one. I yes, I'm so excited to be teaching this one. So this will be a good one. Because body shame still kicks my booty. Often, this is the work. It's I hear you.

Well, listen, friends. If you I will put all the links to all things Jeb Lebo in the transcript notes at the top. And if you you should go join her group. I'm in there, like everyone I know is in there. Because you're supposed to be you're a woman and you have a body. And if you're like your little kids, and you know gravity, because we're all impacted by gravity and all the things like you know, good for us. And she's like a good human to boot. So come on. And if you are sitting around in your business, and you can't figure out this whole community thing, or you can't figure out how to give yourself permission or how to start. I talked to somebody this morning and she's like, I just don't know where to begin. Listen, that's what I do with people. Like we simplify. We don't we do the next thing that the next 400 things and if you want to talk about that we shouldn't do that. But anyway, thank you gently bow. This is one of my favorite treats. Thank you for doing this with us. And yeah, thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun. It does. It just feels like a party whenever I'm with you. Sometimes we cry mostly it's a party. Sometimes we cry, but it's still a party. Yay. Well thank you. Thank you.